Who Is The Leaker?

[Tobe]

Tobe I don't see it as an either or issue. I cant stand Abbott either and I have given him crap on here during this campaign and his party as well as Gillard. So for people like me who refuse to follow the party line just because it's labor, I am left with little choice but to vote informal. ( I have decided not to support any party in the reps) I will however vote Green in the senate and their preference flows will go as they decide. That's as close as I can get to voting Labor this time around.
As Landslide says, I too am in safe labor territory so it will make little difference who I vote for, but one must take a stand sometimes.
So I reserve the right to criticise Gillard when she deserves it and Abbott too.
Thanks for the replies now I think I will leave it at that.
Cheers Eb.

That's all good Eb. Thanks for the clarification. I also reserve the right to defend Gillard.

[icey]

Icey, Turnbull, Nelson and Howard are all better than Abbott will ever be as a leader.

Icey better than Abbott?

Is Icey going to be listed in the next PPM poll?

Let the ranga beware!

It's hardly that offensive. icey deals with all of the time. I think he might even be proud of it. Imagine!

Badge of honour in a land of savages Tobe!  Yes, those of the right are made of sterner stuff. 

[Tobe]

It's hardly that offensive. icey deals with all of the time. I think he might even be proud of it. Imagine!

Badge of honour in a land of savages Tobe!  Yes, those of the right are made of sterner stuff. 

My skin isn't thick enough to turn right just yet icey ...

BTW, I updated the crap grammar on my post... it now reads

icey deals with being a full blooded Abbott supporter all of the time. I think he might even be proud of it. Imagine!

[icey]

My skin isn't thick enough to turn right just yet icey ...

BTW, I updated the crap grammar on my post... it now reads

icey deals with being a full blooded Abbott supporter all of the time. I think he might even be proud of it. Imagine!

Made sense enough the first time though I guess it could have been read differently.

Now that you have elaborated a little, I'd have to say I'm more of a half-blooded than a full blooded Abbott supporter.  But let there be no doubt, it's not "we're gonna drown" green coloured blood.

[Senexx]

Icey, Turnbull, Nelson and Howard are all better than Abbott will ever be as a leader.

Icey better than Abbott?

Is Icey going to be listed in the next PPM poll?

No.  The mention of Icey was to signify whom I was addressing.  It is my personal opinion LenWX that you would be a better PM than Icey.

[Bam]

Icey, Turnbull, Nelson and Howard are all better than Abbott will ever be as a leader.

Icey better than Abbott?

No.  The mention of Icey was to signify whom I was addressing.

It did make the sentence rather amusing by giving this list of people and accidentally putting Icey at the front of the list. I admit that I read it the same way: that you think Icey would make a better leader of the Liberal party than Abbott.

[icey]

It is my personal opinion LenWX that you would be a better PM than Icey.

Hey Sennex! Is that suckin' up to our new moderator or what?

Nobody ever caught me doing that to Grand Poobah Adrian!

I admit that I read it the same way: that you think Icey would make a better leader of the Liberal party than Abbott.

I'm used to and comfortable with accolades Bam, but the venue for delivery was a trite unusual to say the least.

Should I be having a talk to my (local before the redistribution) Lib, Peter Dutton, lend a helping hand sort of stuff?

[Tobe]

I think you have all the ingredients for being a perfect Liberal Leader icey. I would like to think there is a point when wit needs to be replaced by substance, but that's just me...

BTW, what happened to Adrian?

[icey]

BTW, what happened to Adrian?

Nothing to see here.

The Grand Poobah (having had some time out), is alive and well remorselessly snipping threads according to his unpublished rule book.

belated edit: clarifying the hyperlink.

[Tobe]

BTW, what happened to Adrian?

Nothing to see here.

The Grand Poobah (having had some time out), is alive and well remorselessly snipping threads according to his unpublished rule book.

Bah, I respect Adrian, we have had plenty of arguments, some quite aggressive, and the only time he censored me was when I posted a few vitriolic comments to a certain RW ally of yours.

[icey]

Bah, I respect Adrian, we have had plenty of arguments, some quite aggressive, and the only time he censored me was when I posted a few vitriolic comments to a certain RW ally of yours.

"Bah" as in Poobah ... nice!

As to any comments you may have made amongst friends (so to speak), what's to censure?

Point taken nevertheless.  I incite the grand poobah to make a statement.

[sorry, it's late, and maybe i'm a little high on gillard spiralling ever downwards]

[Tobe]

I regard my friends as people who interest me icey... agreement is not mandatory to that.

The vast bulk of my genuine friends are to the left of the Greens, but tonight I met up with an old RW buddy (genuine friend) who hates Abbott, but would still like him to win just to piss me off... but he doesn't really think Abbott will win.

I had another genuine close friend who was otherwise a right wing moron, but he died in a parachute... literally. I miss him dearly. 

[icey]

Poignant comments Tobe, and all of course, perfectly reasonable.

Now as to "Who Is The Leaker", Kev's got more problems than serpentine allegations from his old mate Mark.

Kevin Rudd in hospital for operation

Wouldn't wish it on anyone.

And that, on top of the news (to me anyway) that he's apparently drawn bottom spot on the ballot paper.

[Tobe]

If this becomes the story of the whole campaign, Abbott will be gifted government with very little scrutiny. Who needs costings when the back door is wide open?

I would like to think that now Abbott actually has a chance we might get some focus and debate on policy.

[Bam]

If this becomes the story of the whole campaign, Abbott will be gifted government with very little scrutiny.

If it happens, that will be a great tragedy. It's all well and good to scrutinize the Government. Good governance relies on it. But to eschew scrutinizing the alternative Government to the same degree in an election campaign is a bankruptcy of common sense. Abbott's hands are not a safe pair of hands to entrust with Government. He has advocated some rather extreme policy positions that have not been subject to just scrutiny in the campaign because the Australian media is dominated by the Murdoch press whose uncritical sycophantic acceptance of all that is the Liberal Party and their National Party lackeys is well known. If we get an Abbott Government, it will be a very bad Government because it will not be subject to enough scrutiny. A lack of probity and a lack of scrutiny is often a weakness of Liberal-party Governments (see the Kennett Government in Victoria for more details), and Abbott is showing clear signs that it will be more of the same bad governance.